Looking for Italian wine styles within Pacific Northwest

The Pacific NW seems to have an abundance of wines that focus on French varieties. We have also been seeing several Rhone styles popping up more and more. I am curious to see if others are finding Italian varieties out there as well. There seems to be an abundance of Sangiovese out there, some good, some bad as can be expected. One Italian variety that Washington seems to grow extremely well is Barbara. So far I have had Barnard Griffin's, Cascade cliff's and Lone Canaries Barbara and liked them in different ways. But what about the other common Italian varietals? Dolcetto? Negromaro? Nebbiolo? Can anyone here suggest wineries that are making these decently?

Thanks,

David

Another winery with Italian focus

Donitelia Winery, in downtown Yakima, has had a good selection of Italian grapes in their bottles. Though, sadly, at this writing, about the only thing they offer is Sangio in a number of different styles (including a White Sangio that's interesting). I have a couple of their Dolcettos and Barberras. Not bad. Available also is a Primitivo, and a Pinot Grigio.

Don't know why they got away from the others. Maybe it's a temporary outage.

A special treat last year was their blend of Sangiovese Grosso and Cab Sauv. The Sangio-Grosso is the grape used exclusively in Montalcino, Italy, where the big Brunellos are made. This is the only wine in this country I've found that has used that grape. My understanding is it's a different clone than the Sangios we grow around here. And, the Brunellos I've had are far superior to our Sangios, so I'm guessing that's true.

Italian Varieties in NW

I doubt that you will find a Nebbiolo, good or bad, in the NW. Nebbiolo is a notoriously cultivar to grow and tough to get good color extraction from.

Nebbiolo II

What? Stop in at Waving Tree, near the Biggs bridge, and buy a bottle of their Nebbiolo. Then run up the hill to Hwy 14, to Cascade Cliffs and buy a bottle of their Nebbiolo.

Try them each and get back to us. You will eat your words, or I will....open my own bottle of Nebbiolo in shock.

oh yea

I stand partially corrected. Waving Trees' current vintage (06?)does have it over on Cascade Cliffs' 05 (not by much, in my humble opinion), but CCs' 06 is very good and will continue to improve in the bottle for the next 6mns. CCs' 04 is a gem though and if that is available it is drinking very nicely. Do not over look Waving Tree for their Barbera also.

Nebbiolo

Actually there are a couple of very good Nebbiolos being made. Cascade Cliffs is very good. I just spoke with Jerry Milbrandt on Sat. and we were discussing the fact that they have planted some from cuttings that they got from Bob Lorkowski at Cascade Cliffs. Milbrandt will do a varietal bottling and use some for blending.

so true, Donetalia

I was thinking about this after I made my last entry a few days ago. The 02 Sangio is very good. And we thought the new Barbera is excellent. It's not in the bottle yet, maybe now it is, but it was excellent when we tasted it at barrel tasting. I just returned from a trip down the gorge and stopped at Cascade Cliffs with outstandinding results. The new Barbera is outstanding and Nebbiolo the same. Bob is leading the pack with Italian varietals. I wish he could score some Zin grapes. Anybody got a line on some vines or cuttings he could get?

The Origin of Zin

One of the many joys of visiting tasting rooms is some of the interesting discussion that can arise over a specific aspect of wine which in turn leads to a memorable experience. One such experience happened while tasting a zinfandel at the Tildio Winery in Chelan. The lady behind the counter was very knowledgable and a serious student of wine. I happened to mention that it had been determined (through the diligent work of Drs. Meredith and Wolfe cited above) that Zinfandel originated from Croatia and not Italy as long thought. Her rebuke was instant and intense, saying I was totally wrong. From under the counter she pulled out a copy of Jancis Robinson's latest edition of The Oxford Companion to Wine and pointed to a paragraph in the section on Zinfandel that clearly stated that Zin's origin was Southern Italy. With the thought that someone as thorough as Jancis Robinson would not have this right, I ceded the debate.

Flashing forward, I had the fortunate opportunity to speak with Carole Meredith as she was pouring her wine (the excellent 2004 Lagier Meredith Syrah from Mt. Veeder in the Napa Valley) at the NY Wine Experience last fall. I told her the story. She affirmed that there was now no doubt that Zinfandel's home was Croatia and was stunned to learn that the The Oxford Companion to Wine was stating otherwise. Her parting shot was to say she would contact Jancis Robinson, whom she knows, to correct the error.

Regarding the question that started this thread, Witness Tree in Oregon near Salem makes a very nice dolcetto (2004 Dolcetto Remari) from estate fruit. It is a bit more massive than the typical Italian style, exhibiting more extracted fruit, noticable tannins and probably higher alcohol. It sells for $20 through the winery's website.

Zins ect

Good discussion on Italian varietals! There are many about. Search them out and find your favorites. Include with the Zins; Barnard Griffon Resv, Col Crest Resv, and Trio (WW). All very good. If you can track down Tildio (Chelan), Score! Kiona Big O '03, OMG. Very port like. Trio has also a Zin (off dry, like Maryhills' Resv), that is worth buying. T. Wolfes Primativo 06 is good also. On and on. We visited Chelan for their barrel event last weekend and were again amazed by the excellent wines being made there. And there is no more naturally beautiful setting for making wine ANYWHERE. Tsillan Cellars Sangio is as good as any we have tasted anywhere. Tildio, Benson, Lake Chelan Cellars, among a few others are producing as good of wine as Spokane, Yakima Valley, WW, ect. Check them out!

Sangiovese (piccolo and gross) and Nebbiolo at Tefft

At Tefft Cellars in row #55 (pretty sure) there are mostly Sangiovese piccolo (smaller and darker berries) and a couple of mistakenly included clones of Sangiovese grosso (larger and redder colored). Stop by pre-harvest and I'm sure Joel would let you taste the difference.

Also, there are several older rows of nebbiolo and some newer rows too.

Zin Quest

Wish we could get Dr. Wade Wolf of Thurston Wolfe into this conversation. 20 years ago while working with now retired, and world renowned geneticist, Carole Meredith @ UCDavis, Wade identified Zin (California) as Primotivo (Italy.) About 10 years ago, Dr. Meredith, with Mike Grgich's help and lab assistant, Jasenka Piljac, discovered Zin actually originated in Croatia. It is a fascinating story and can be read in Zinfandel, a Croatian-American Wine Story by Jasenka Piljac Zegarac.

Meredith remarks the timing was perfect...any earlier the science wouldn't have been there to work with the lab remotely, and any later the vines would have been gone.

zinfandel

Very well stated! I didn't know that Wade Wolfe was involved in that. You have obviously done your homework. As a zin freak, I am glad to have the knowledge. Wade Wolfe does make a pretty tasty zinfandel, Howlin' Wolfe Zin. I can usually find it at Yokes here in Spokane for $14.99, which is a steal. Also, Forgeron makes a nice zinfandel, for those who are looking for Washington zins. I generally like it better than Maryhills, although when Maryhill is "on", they are "on"!

Tim

El Mirador zinfandel

Hey everyone!

I am sure many of you have had this wine, but we had a bottle of El Mirador zinfandel last week (Walla Walla - Les Collines Vineyard), and it was very, very good!!! Grant at Yokes/Spokane Valley (their wine steward and all-around great guy) told me about it, but I finally bought one at Vino! last week. It was a very nice bottle, and I was quite suprised. It totally has that "Walla Walla terroir" thing happening, with the earth/leather nose, nice fruit, decent acids, and good overall balance. It had a bit of oak happening, which I personally like. It was simply a very tasty bottle that was very well matched to my personal palate. I enjoyed every last drop! It wasn't the extracted fruit bomb with the black pepper/spice on the finish like my favorites from the Dry Creek Valley, but it was very tasty. At around $20 and fairly available, this wine is a steal and I plan on buying a lot more! It compares with the Forgeron, in my opinion, although the Forgeron seems to have a brighter fruit profile (blackberry, plum, and perhaps more lip-smacking acids). But for $20? Fuggeddaboutit...... it rocked!
Washington is indeed capable of producing some excellent zins, and I didn't have to pay for shipping. Sweet.......

Cheers!
Tim

Italian Varieties

Ron Bunnell does a sangio and barbera on his second label RiverAerie.
They are outstanding and at a great price.

Italian varieties

There are a ton of Sangioveses out there (by "a ton" I mean at least 30 or 40). You'll find a smattering of Nebbiolo, Dolcetto, Barbera and Zinfandel (yes, Zin actually is Croatian, but it should be considered an honorary Italian grape). There's even a bit of Primitivo out there, if you look around. Of course, there's a ton of Pinot Grigio.

Start with Cascade Cliffs, which seems to specialize in Italian grapes. Also check out Abacela in Winston, Ore., which makes a Dolcetto.

And be sure to look up Gino Cuneo Cellars in Carlton, Ore. Gino has long made Italian-style wines, including Sangiovese, Nebbiolo, etc., using Washington and Oregon grapes.

I'm not sure if Cavatappi is still making wine, but it used to make a delicious Nebbiolo. It appears Wilridge Winery in Seattle's Madrona district still makes a Nebbiolo from Klipsun grapes.

And Willis Hall, a small winery in Marysville, Wash. (near Everett), is making Sangiovese, Nebbiolo and Dolcetto.

Those are just starters. I'm sure others will pass along their favorites.

Italian Varieties II

Just down the road from Cascade Cliffs is Waving Tree, who produces Nebbiolo, Sangiovese, Barbera, and a Tuscan blend from estate vines.

They are all excellent and reasonably priced. The Nebbiolo is exceptional, and at $40 is Waving Tree's highest priced wine by far. It recently won a not-yet-announced high level award that we will have to wait for the next issue of WPN to discover. Cascade Cliff's Nebbiolo is good, but Waving Tree's happens to be better.

Zin vs Primotivo

I thought Zinfandel and Primotivo were the same grape. Has that view changed?

Primitivo

Yes, Zin and Primitivo are now considered "related" but not identical.

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